An itinerary with Lissette Lagnado and Maria Berrios through the exhibition Drifts and Derivations. Experiences, Journeys, and Morphologies (Museo Reina Sofía, May 5 - August 23). Through a series of topics, this conversation poses a specific kind of Modernity, which is neither alternate nor central, but which shows the possibilities of playful and poetic transformation of society and cases of collective pedagogy in architectonic episodes in Latin America in the secord third of the 20th Century.